Sleaze in Grand Theft Auto raises hackles
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SAN FRANCISCO: The "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" was hailed as the most 'cool' game by the teenage community. However, it has ended up by being more than cool, it's downright sleazy. The National Institute on Media and the Family, a non-profit organization has issued a nationwide parental alert detailing the presence of explicit sexual content in the game.
The Grand Theft Auto has already been panned as a very violent game and in fact has a ‘M’ (Mature) rating. But the presence of seamy scenes in the game could prompt the Entertainment Software Ratings Board (ESRB) to give it an 'Adults Only' rating.
The whole controversy was triggered off by a mod called as 'Hot Coffee.' This mod was created by Dutch gamer Patrick Wildenborg and posted on the mod site. A modder is a games enthusiast who creates patches for games that are originally not included in the games, but are some kind of accessories using which gamers can play out different scenarios according to their wish.
The 'Hot Coffee' mod in the GTA apparently unlocks content that was already present in the game, claims Wildenborg. He says that neither he nor any of his friends have added any scenes to the game, they have just altered a code and provided access to the content, "All the material that is used during the sex scenes of the 'Hot Coffee' mod are on the official San Andreas release," Wildenborg has said. He added that the whole scene was like an "Easter egg." Readers are well aware of this gimmick of programmers who hide some content in their programs, which can be accessed by a few simple steps.
The Easter egg in GTA is hidden under the scene when the hero visits his girlfriend's house for a cup of coffee. In the original version, only the house is shown, and a few suggestive sounds are heard. In the 'Hot Coffee' mod, the whole cheesy act is played out albeit by cartoon characters.
And this issue has now blown into a wholesale slanging match with Assemblyman Leland Yee, D-San Francisco furiously accusing the ESRB of failing to rate the game appropriately. Take 2 Interactive, the manufacturer of the game has refused to comment on its alleged role in the whole sordid saga. The company says that it cannot comment on what the modders' do, but the media has pointed out that the fingers have been raised at the company and not at the modders.
Meanwhile, ESRB president Patricia Vance is under immense pressure to respond to these allegations, "If after a thorough and objective investigation of all the relevant facts surrounding this modification, we determine a violation of our rules has occurred, we will take appropriate action," she said.
The National Institute on Media and the Family has issued a statement as already mentioned and has called upon the company to quickly clarify the issue, “We are calling upon Rockstar Games to come clean with the ESRB, the nation’s retailers, and especially America’s parents What is your involvement in the production and distribution of pornographic content in your game? What do you know about the "Hot Coffee" scenes, and what are you doing to inform the public?" a statement posted on the site has said.
The Web today has been agog with this news and most of the blogs that we saw have said that the sleaze could have been in-built. In fact some blogs have also posted links to the video of the GTA scene. If there is any truth that the game's manufacturers have indulged in hanky-panky, retailers could take this game off their shelves.
This controversy only serves to highlight that even simulated games are no longer safe from sex and gore. They could end up morally corrupting the youth of the country and this is a chilling scenario. The raunchy act in the GTA could have been a naughty prank but the manufacturers as well as legislators must notice the fact that it is there and should take appropriate steps to see that such episodes are not repeated.
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tisk tisk, america
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a 12 year old with gta:sa ,
Mon, 08 May 2006 01:35:12 GMT
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I have Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas and I am 12! My parents know whats on the game and they gave it to me anyway (on Christmas nontheless!). I have it on Xbox but i have seen the scene and all it is a group of pixels making love to another group of pixels on a screen for maybe a minute! If you are dee-dee-dee (stupid) enough to not know what your kid is playing, wathcing, or doing, you have no right to get mad at the Rockstar Corporation or anything or anyboy having anything to do with the game. You are fully responsible for your child's welfare; and it is your issue. It's not that my parents don't care, it's that they think I'm mature enough! I'm outie, y'all. Peace!
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The Game is Rated 'M' anyway...
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web user ,
Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:57:55 GMT
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So some people might be thinking, why dont they just have a law that requires all stores that sell mature games (that are intended for 17+ anyways) to check their IDs before purchasing.
Well its not that simple. If you put mature rated games in the same category as Adult only games then store will not be happy about stocking/selling these games in their store. Game developers intern will not be happy about their loss of customers, so they lobby politicians saying that Mature video games with all its violence and minor sexual themes do not influence negatively the underage kid. Developers as well as some adults do not believe Mature video games fit into the category of Pornography/cigerettes/alchohol. So hence the problem.
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The Game is Rated 'M' anyway...
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web user ,
Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:29:28 GMT
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I'm not sure but I think the problem is that Mature video games are dispersed to most store freely while Adult only games are not. Also it is required by law that Adult only video games require checking ID while Mature games do not (they are only under store discretion to check id). Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that was the impression I got from surfing on the web.
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The Game is Rated 'M' anyway...
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JC ,
Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:24:13 GMT
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From ESRB.com:Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content, and/or strong language.
Leland, et. al., are making this sound like someone's discovered a mutual masturbation scene in a Pajama Sam or Putt Putt. Sweet Jesus H. Christ.
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agree with kdd + Ryan Gill
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random ,
Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:43:19 GMT
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ok, so killing tonnes of people is fine but sex is not? thats being a KID.
if no one under 17 is allowed to buy the game, then whats the problem?
+ the mass killing is more dangerous than sex.
I know 12 year olds who watch porn on tv, internet,etc
sex in this game is "low quality" (as in graphics) but kids have seen high quality on tv... dont u think that impacts them?
just because they added some sex stuff doesnt mean that the game should be banned or something. 17+ is good enough to know whats good and bad for them.
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easy
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miron ,
Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:19:51 GMT
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Sounds to me like there is some "perceived" American guy earning living, so, the crowd is trying to be easy - let the guy roll. It is true that making living is hard. Yet this little guy has done a criminal act here. So, it seems to me that our little PC village is too nice to the troublemaker.
As far as technical merits go, unlocking content in this case is as easy as ungluing two pages of a magazine that stuck together in the mail. No chips, no soldering, no special code… As the computer professional who found out and exposed the trouble said, the only tool that is needed is a computer.
Now, tell me, who does have PS2 _AND_ does not have computer.
You guys are too easy on bad guy here.
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topic
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Joe T. ,
Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:05:05 GMT
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I'm not taking sides. I do agree that parents ultimately has to be more responsible and supervise their own children and know what they buy at all times. But I also do believe that sometimes parents might not be available (such as needing 2 jobs to support the family) and can not supervise their children "every" minute of the day. So in a way it would be wrong for stores to sell GTA and other mature video games to underage kids without their parents knowing.
So my question is this. If lets assume that all mature rated video games as well as Adult only video games are required by law for the purchasee to provide ID. Lets also assume that the ESRB rates a video game a E rating (Everyone) but the developers added porn as well as other Adult only materials in the game without ESRB knowing about it. These materials are not accessible without a password.
So should the developers as well as ESRB be responsible for a 9 year old being exposed to this type of materials even if the game developers do not supply the password? Is it the 9 year old's fault for finding the password? Is it the parents fault for buying a E rated game (assuming that the game is a wholesome game) but did not watch over how his children play the video game? What do you think?
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easy
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miron ,
Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:17:30 GMT
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They had the content in the coding, true. But they put in two little tags so that the content was not included in the game.
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I don't by it.
* They _included_ content on their free will.
* They _hid_ it so that someone "outside" of the circle does not know, unless suspecting foul content and working on double checking content that is M rated.
* The content is punishable by law when distributed to minor.
I guess with all the lawyer and shmoyer the game maker has a lot of an advantage... but, if Martha was convicted for simply speaking untruthful words, a game maker procuring porno to minors walking free does not make sense.
My trouble also is that we apparently some industry related structures trying to usurp the executive and legislative powers when dealing with this issue.
This is not about rating, this is about criminal act.
Also, what is up about this letter "M". What is the difference between "Mature" and "Adult Only"? Get that scrapped and move those deeply free guys in adult stores so that our kids don't get confused with junkies.
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to:concerned parent
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Mark Hasselberger ,
Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:13:06 GMT
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Dear Concerned Parent,
Either do not give your children an allowance or, now get this, PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT THEY ARE SPENDING IT ON! If you find them having something they aren't supposed to, take it back to the store and complain. It is not the zit faced 16 year old kid at the games stores responsibility to raise your children.
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Family Values - laughing stock of the world
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foreigner ,
Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:04:22 GMT
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I used to imagine the USA as the country championing freedoms, including the one of speech, but in the past few years I arrived to the conclusion that the American society is less and less true to its original values.
As the first comment said, it is the mod that makes the content available (and that's why it's called "mod", because it modifies) so the responsibility, if any, is on the mod developer and parents.
But in any case, it is truly pathetic how the conservatives get worked up because of things like these. If you don't like it, don't buy it. You do not have the authority, moral or any other, to limit others' rights to create and consume information.
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Too lazy to read
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John ,
Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:00:54 GMT
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Before anyone posts an anti GTA statement, I would recommend actually reading all the comments below. For those who are still too lazy to:
1) This material was undoubtedly included in a pre-release version of the game.
2) Take 2 then realised it would never get stocked, and altered the game code so it would never be seen, not having time to remove it completely.
3) The ERSB duly rated it "M", quite reasonably. Kids everywhere played it without the scenes in question.
4) The game code itself was then altered to allow the content to be played, and released. I doubt this was done it a way that prohibited minors from downloading it, unlike the procedures Take 2 followed (ie ERSB rating it).
In my view, the modder is making this "pornographic" content available to minors by not being able to control distribution of the mod, so they are at fault here.
Some of the "concerned parents" comments must be fake posts: try actually supervising your kids computer use and checking what they buy. That's why the ratings are there.
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filth
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concerned parent ,
Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:33:41 GMT
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I give my children allowance so that they can reward themselves and buy toys not this filth. It makes me disgusted that more than 60+ % of underage kids can purchase games like this at any store without checking their IDs. If there is no laws regulating who can purchase Mature rated video games, I think I will have to think twice about giving my children an allowance.
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easy
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miron ,
Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:40:12 GMT
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I have not seen the game nor the porno that causes this issues to arise. Yet if it is truly X rated content that depicts people making sex I can only say this.
Rockstar gave a macho clout to the game, the boy either takes on with peers or else... and now the parents, us, looking for excuses to blame those who bought the disk containing well hidden content... that is low... Lets face it, the porno is a bad apple, and the damage is too hard for just an verbose discussion. Nothing short of quiet 9/11 set off behind the frontal bone of our kids. Get the guys out of business in the court and use the company funds to secure the market from similar troubles in the future.
Let me tell you there is a difference between porno and rated game violence. Particularly when a child is viewing.
The teens have different structure of their physique. Once given free access to sexual content that delivers sense of unmatched pleasure, they are hooked, they do not have any defenses as adults do to make the choice - to take the pleasure or to walk away.
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And this will remain with each child who was caught for the rest of their life.
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People creating games have intimate knowledge of psychological and physiological merits. They are professionals, they do make living off of this knowledge.
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GTA is responsible for content
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biggy ,
Sun, 10 Jul 2005 02:31:01 GMT
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"While parents and retailers should show more responsibility, developers and publishers should also do the same. GTA is notorious for its violence and mature content. But including explicit content is another thing altogether."
I agree, no matter if the parents are irresponsible or not that does not mean the game company should be excused from its responsibility. Come on...if they put the content in there then they are being deceptive & irresponsible.
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And I thought it was so clean.
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borisblade ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:48:20 GMT
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Why do they have to wreck a good wholesome and virtuous game by adding crap like this.
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It's not all about the children...
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Ray ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:43:04 GMT
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I grow a bit tired of hearing about groups like Parents for America. First off, video games are not just for children. Plenty of adults enjoy them too, which is why there's a rating system and an entire line of video games marketed for adults only. Many parents seem to have an issue with just saying 'no' to things they do not want their children to watch. So, of course, since they won't say 'no' this means that no person should be able to play the games. Secondly, not everyone has children. Society should not focus on limiting what every American can have access to just because a child might see it. That's the job of the parents, and I am tired of hearing people say that we should restrict video game content because parents are too lazy to keep an eye on their kids. By all means, require an ID to purchase games rated M. I had to produce one when I purchased Halo 2. But don't limit games for no other reason than lazy parenting.
Parents, it is your responsibility to police what your children see, do, watch and play. It is not my responsibility to do so. Nor should I have to be restricted in what I see, watch and play because a child may see it.
For the record, I do not own, nor will I ever purchase, a Grand Theft Auto game. I do not like the concept or the actions one must take while playing the game. However, this is a free country, with freedom of expression. If others wish to purchase this game and play it, it is their right to do so. As I also have the right to say no, but do not have the right to force a decision on someone else over what they watch. You want to play GTA, fine by me. I choose not to. Everyone goes home happy.
That is how it works, unless Parents of America succeeds in their un-American mission to limit everything people watch just because they're trying to cover for all of those parents who just cannot say no.
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Shame..
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RF ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:34:30 GMT
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Well, how does a 13 year ol get money.. From MOM and DAD. Hense they buy the games for there kids.. blame the dad and mom. don't blame the game. If you don't want your kids to play games.. Don't give them the money for the game. don't drive them to the store to buy the game.
It is called being a mom and dad. Take charge over you kids.
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Coding is difficult
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Shoeshine ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:16:58 GMT
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They had the content in the coding, true. But they put in two little tags so that the content was not included in the game. This was much easier than taking the whole thing out altogether, and saved a lot of time. In fact, if you look at other games, you will find that many things were removed from the title in the exact same way. Rockstar was simply saving time to get the product out. They have no responsibility over what the modding community does. The sex scene was likely just made as an in-house joke, and put into the title to freak someone out, then taken right back out.
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Da GTA Fenomenon
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Ali G ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:13:51 GMT
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Aiiiiii Hear Me Now - wot iz dis talk bout GTA bein dat & GTA bein diz - ever1 knows da real truth -- GTA Roooocks - take it ezyyy breatherins - & keep it real!
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Family Values
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arelJBZ ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:06:46 GMT
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Why are Family Values enthusiasts so concerned about sex. How do you imagine families are made?
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i am 11
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Booger lady ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:06:14 GMT
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*is now going to buy the PC version and find this Mod to access the hardcore sex scene within this game*
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BAN THIS GAME
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Concerned Parent ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:02:16 GMT
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I am OUTRAGED this is allowed in Grand Theft Auto. Good on Earthtimes for posting on this.
The sooner this game is pulled off the shelves the better. I am sick of games using sex, drugs and rap music to sell games.
This aspect of African American culture, with gangland music, drugs and sex, is corroding our society.
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Let God. . .
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honduras ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:00:33 GMT
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"Let God be true and every man a liar"
" For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. "Rom 1:18
"For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools,"
(Rom 1:21-22)
"Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen."
(Rom 1:24-25)
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Awsome:D
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Jud ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:00:09 GMT
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Whoa, untill i read this article, I had absolutely no clue that there was a sex scene in this game. Thanks a ton, you guys are awsome, now i know i should look for it!
Thanks a ton Earthtimes,
-Jud
(by the way, i'd much rather kids were watching porn instead of watching people kill cops, rival druggies, and the general populace.) Would you rather your kids shot your neighbors daughter, or had sex with her? What influence should you be sending? By complaining about this, you say shooting is "ok" in comparison to having sex. Sad world...
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Thank you posters!
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young adult ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 21:57:31 GMT
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I'm glad to see that the majority of people coming to this site realize the truth about this article...that it is totally false! In my opinion, the influence of virtual content doesn't hold a candle to the influence of REAL life. Obviously, young children shouldn't be playing this game unless they have been taught well. Oh and, I totally agree with "It's not video games that corrupt the youth of america, [it's bad parenting]." If parents did their jobs well, their children would know what is right and what is wrong. But I should stop now, because this article makes SO MANY stupid statements, I could go on for a long time...I hope I didn't offend the author too much, but COME ON! This is B.S.
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protect KIDS from Crank and Speed, NOT STUPID VIDEO GAMES
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Cecil ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 21:54:06 GMT
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protect KIDS from Crank and Speed, NOT STUPID VIDEO GAMES
the bad aspects of our culture DWARF the bad aspects of this video game.. sex by cartoon characters? IS this really worse than PRIME TIME TELEVISION?? I think the video game isn't the problem in our civilization.. some critics have too much time on their hands!!
peace and love
Cecil
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games
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mad teen ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 21:40:46 GMT
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lets see, games are just that, games some with differing content than others. Video games are to be fantisy world where you do what you can in the real world! besides would you of wanted this when you where a teen?!? I know all the guys reading this are saying @$&@ yay! Another point is if your appaled by this game then dont buy it or have anything to do with it. yet another is that were a different generation then you!!!!!WHEN YOU WHERE YOUNG DID YOU DO THINGS YOU PARENTS FOUND SICK AND DIFFERENT? its the same for us, the internet and tv let us share information and other thing too fast....let face it YOU CAN'T STOP US!!!!!
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Think before you act
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sam ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 20:48:41 GMT
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I would love to see a written response to some of the "Have your say" reactions by The National Institute on Media and the Family.
I believe in protecting the youth of America and do think it starts in the home. The opinions given above build a much more comnpelling argument to protecting our children than does the overreaction by the NIMA. Like Terri Dillon wrote: "I refuse to have anything to do with this game..." he/she made their own decision for an environment that he/she can control. Terri went a little far in thinking all "However the violence is nothing short of instilling hatred and IMHO the creators, publishing companies, distribution companies as well as anyone else involved with it, should be arrested and charged under the hate crimes law!" With that logic movie producers, authors, should all face the same fate?
This world is frustrating and barbaric enough and in reallity far outweighs what this game can show as far as violence and sex. How many beheadings have we heard of, how many Priests have been molesting young children for years? Take it easy on damning everyone involved in a case of "choose to buy or not" vs. all those real life situations where youth is corrupted by those meant to protect them.
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Xbox owners
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Xbox owner ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 20:45:22 GMT
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Darn it - wish I had it on PC rather than an Xbox now. :-(
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uhh
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mike ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 20:22:28 GMT
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this is easily the worst article i have ever read, and i don't even LIKE gta:sa. keep your idiotic opinions to yourself, instead of trying to pass them off as 'news'
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no drug missions
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cj ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 20:22:08 GMT
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The missions, if you ever played the damn game, are all anti-drug in san andreas and the first gta (the one in libery city. They are all focused on taking out the drug dealers. But you people who see it as a drug game wouldn't know that because you already know what the game is about, even though you never played it.
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LOL...
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Kzx87 ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 20:20:27 GMT
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These family groups are so lame. Its not video games that corrupt the youth of america, bad parenting corrupts the youth of america.
If any of these whining soccer moms were good parents they wouldn't have bought the M RATED (M = 17+ YOU MORONS, BUT I WOULDN'T EXPECT BAD PARENTS TO KNOW THAT) game to begin with.
I hope fat soccer moms with nothing better to do than whine about a video game choke on their starbucks while watching survivor.
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subject yourself
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funkspiel ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:57:08 GMT
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I tried this game for 20 minutes and would have stayed around longer if there was sex, but the violence was gross.
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stupid
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random ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:54:09 GMT
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i don't see why we should be worrying about this problem. Any parent who doesn't know wat actually goes on with teenagers is not a good parent. Over 50% of teenagers in the local high school has drank according to a poll. Many of them smoke weed. Many teenagers have sex all the time. The video game isn't the problem. It's the culture. Video games have one goal in mind, to sell thus they must appeal to pop culture.
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I blame the parents.
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Ali G ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:53:29 GMT
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In the UK it has an 18 BBFC (British Board of Film Classification), which is a legally enforced restriction. It is illegal for minors to buy this, or anybody to buy it for them.
Although this doesn't work, I worked in a video shop for a while. Where parents would buy the game for their kids without a care. Some would change their mind after telling them what kind of content is in the game, most wouldn't care with the most common excuse for bad parenting is "He play's it at his friends house". It's always a he too...
GTA is an adult game, children shouldn't be playing it. There is nothing wrong with the game, the producers or the people who sell it. It's down to the parents.
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win some lose some
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Win ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:35:30 GMT
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I'm surprised Mike thinks 17+ does not fall in the 'youth' category!!
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Idiot
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J. Ferguson ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:35:21 GMT
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"They could end up morally corrupting the youth of the country and this is a chilling scenario." I don't know where to begin!flawed ideas 10 Points. If your worried about the sex corrupting youth, I'm sure shooting hookers and cops is harmless to their "fragille manipulative" minds!Misuesd Term 20 Points!an Easter egg is ment to be found.No casual gamer is going to go through the code. I'm wondering why there's no public outcry about this article. Oh Yeah ITS IN YOUR COMMENTS SECTION!I have given this article an I rating for Ignoreance.Keep this article away from impressionable minds at all cost!
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Responsibility
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lysdexia ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:25:02 GMT
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While true that it is through the use of a modification, the content is still there in the game. With Rockstar not saying anything about it, that raises an eyebrow regarding these hidden sex scenes.
While parents and retailers should show more responsibility, developers and publishers should also do the same. GTA is notorious for its violence and mature content. But including explicit content is another thing altogether.
Rockstar may not be liable for stuff that'd included in modifications, but they are liable for the stuff they put in the game themselves, whether freely accessible, unlockable or hidden. To meet deadlines, they may not have had time to completely remove the content from the game, but it should have never been there in the first place.
The ESRB can only go on what is presented to them, but this locked away content does pose a few questions. Hopefully, we'll get some answers and developers and publishers will think a bit more about titles that feature graphic violence and mature themes from now on.
One can only hope...
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One-sided journalism
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Russell Edwards ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:21:28 GMT
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One-sided journalism, journalism filled with loaded words, journalism with an agenda... well that's not really journalism at all. How can you claim to be a journalist if you have an opinion?
Report the facts, or you're nothing but a propaganda tool.
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come on...
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Pete Lucas ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:17:51 GMT
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When is this going to stop? The market has proven that video games aren't just for kids anymore and the makers have responded. Sex scenes? Who cares! The game is marketed to adults. Hell, put more sex in. It's the parents duty to prevent children from playing this game, pure and simple. If you want to find the offenders on this look at the moms and dads who are letting a video console parent their children.
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IT's a Game !!!
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mikea ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:12:12 GMT
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It's a game !! This country is so uptight about sex. A sex scene in video game is not going to " end up morally corrupting the youth of the country", not in a game that features rocket launchers and drivebys.
It's pompous tones in articles like this about video games that corrupt youth, not a video game.
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topic
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Joe ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:10:48 GMT
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I think the problem of the matter is that almost anyone can go into a store and buy a MATURE rated video game (including a 12 year old). Since politician can not make laws to prevent this, they are trying to push those MATURE games into the Adult Only category.
I think currently it is the under the stores discretion if they want to check id or not when purchasing MATURE rated video games. If they make a law to check id on all mature rated and adult only video games, then topics like this GTA hidden sex minigames will not be issue.
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topic
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Joe ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:08:15 GMT
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I think the problem of the matter is that almost anyone can go into a store and buy a MATURE rated video game (including a 12 year old). Since politician can not make laws to prevent this, they are trying to push those MATURE games into the Adult Only category.
I think currently it is the under the stores discretion if they want to check id or not when purchasing MATURE rated video games. If they make a law to check id on all mature rated and adult only video games, then topics like this GTA hidden sex minigames will not be issue.
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Great objectivity
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Mike ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 18:46:31 GMT
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What a completely unobjective article.
Right off the batt you call the game "sleazy," then in the second paragraph you state that the "seamy scenes" are present in the game itself, when actually this has yet to be proven.
My favourite part is your sentence, "*most* of the *blogs* *that we saw* have said that the sleaze *could* have been in-built." Wow, that's supposed to pass as a credible source?
As for how the game "could end up morally corrupting the youth of the country," the game is rated 17+. Based on this rating, parents should already know better than to let kids play it.
Besides, if its foreign policy is any indication of "morals" held by the United States, I'd say that it's pointless to worry about this game as America is already doing just fine in the corruption department.
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i agree with a majority of the opossing
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Ric Moranis ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 18:41:05 GMT
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its extremely stupid that neglectant parent's are choosing to point the finger at rockstar games and same goes for family organisations.
The fact of the matter is, video games are taken in the same regard as movies. Would you let your 12 year old child watch a movie only allowed for 18 year olds and over? No, its a simple fact. If you are getting on the soap box, band wagon or what ever loud mouth ignorant people use to voice their opinions claiming that games like these are going to wreck society, make our children murderers and that the sexual content in harmful to children...
you should stop your argument IMMEDIATELY!
because the basis of your argument is a product that is specifically targeted at and designed for an older audience will effect younger minds... The video game companies are not at fault at all, they have developed a game, allocated their target audiences, adhered to what ever restrictions they needed to distribute their game in their rating critiea and then distributed it... They have set the boundries, who is able to use it, it is not their fault if someone breaks those boundries.
keep your outspoken opinions to yourself, stop trying to change the world, keep things simple. You might be on one of these commitees and yet have your children at home playing games or watching movies that are not in the recomended age bracket. If you wish to change things, change your house hold, change your life, dont try and change others...
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sanandreas
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Nick ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 18:34:56 GMT
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gta sanandres is one of the best games out in the shops.
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agreed....not you mr.cafe owner
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mJ ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 18:31:21 GMT
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basically have all covered what i'm thinking...damn i hate journalists sometimes :P
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Great journalism!
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paul ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 18:30:38 GMT
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I agree with the majority of comments above, but also find it hilarious that theres four adverts to buy the game on the same page!
Rock on Rockstar!
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Grand Theft Auto
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Mark Hasselberger ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 18:23:57 GMT
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This article should be marked as 'Opinion' for the last paragraph alone. First off, in the modern era of video games no one ever said they were 'safe from sex and gore.' Your ignorance to that is not anyones responsibility but your own. They could end up morally corrupting our youth only as much as past forms of media could. People used to say Jazz would drive our youth to drugs, Elvis would cause promiscuity, Horror comic books would turn our children into communists, The Beatles would drive our children away from Jesus, Gangster Rap would drive our kids to kill. Video games are the latest punching bag, and in time will be vindicated. As a matter of fact, they already have, since the rise of popularity of vide games in the early 1990's youth violence has dropped dramatically.
The 'Hot Coffee" modification is the result of a minigame within the much larger GTA:SA game. Written originally to be part of the game, then deemed by the developer to be taking things too far. With the release date closing fast, instead of recoding the entire game for one small, optional sidequest, they buried it into the deep code of the game, thinking that it would never be found. Much to their chagrin fans of the game hacked through the code looking for cheats and other types of hacks, finding the code and creating a patch to access it. It is not an "easter egg," that would imply that it was purposely put there to be found by players, but instead it is a few lines of code never thought to be discovered. It should also be noted that the modification is only easily accessed through the PC version of the game, not the Playstation or X-Box versions.
There is no way the ESRB could have known the content was there, their job is to review the game as it is released, not as it could be hacked. If that were the case, many games released could be given Adults Only scores as hackers have recoded them to have nudity, more gore, etc. Developers cannot be held responsible for what a hacker 'could' do with the game.
The game is marked 'Mature.' As released, it holds to that rating. What hackers do after that cannot be the responsibility of the retailer, the ratings board, or even the developer. It is parents themselves that need to take responsibility for allowing children access to whatever content they may find objectionable. These games are not made for children, they are marked on the cover as such, if you disregard that marking and buy it for your child regardless, they you take responsibility for the outcome.
There is no need for legislators to act on this. Legislators need not act on games having a "Mature" rating that (surprise!) ACTUALLY HAVE mature content. Imagine that! It says it's for adults, and low and behold, it actually is!
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none
By:
none ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 18:21:24 GMT
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Windows sucks!
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Re: This article is not accurate.
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Micah White ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 18:08:36 GMT
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I find it amusing that all the stylized violence gets a pass, while the sex interactives are considered "morally corrupting".
The Hot Coffee mod is not an easter egg. It's a hack of the program. Rockstar did not release the "sexy" interactives in their final build. I am not an insider but I can imagine that at some point, they considered using it, but decided to not include it at some point.
A programmer has ALTERED the game code so that this unreleased piece will work.
An easter egg is something that the author has left in the game on purpose for the player to find.
If no one altered the game code in the form of the "Hot Coffee" Mod, no one would have ever found it by playing the game. Therefore it was not left intentionally and it is not an easter egg.
When you rewrite sections of your game application, you do so at your own risk.
The good part is that all of these lame "family" groups will add more publicity and sell more copies of GTA, ensuring an even bigger and bolder GTA4 on the next gen consoles !
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We REFUSE to offer this crap in our internet cafes!
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Terry Dillon ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 18:06:20 GMT
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As the owner of an internet cafe & gaming center, as well as a consultant who sets up internet cafes, I refuse to have anything to do with this game. Even before the San Andreas version was released, I had made the decision to reject this game series due to it's poorly projected image of our law enforcement officers as well as how people interact with each other. For home use, I have no problem with the sex scene being in the game as long as it is rated AO (Adult Only). However the violence is nothing short of instilling hatred and IMHO the creators, publishing companies, distribution companies as well as anyone else involved with it, should be arrested and charged under the hate crimes law! Would it be acceptable to being a manequin police officer downtown and beat it with a stick or point a fake gun at it's head? Why is it acceptable in a game?
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Way to be objective.
By:
Anathema ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 17:55:54 GMT
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I'm glad to see that your reporting is utterly one sided. Heaven forbid we let people make up their own minds about what games they want to play.
The game is already rated M. This means that only people that are over 18, people who are legally allowed to watch pornographic material, are allowed to buy this game. The game is for adults, and this is made abundantly clear. If you're letting your children play these games, you are a negligent parent, and thats your fault. It is not Rockstar Games responsibility to parent your children for you.
Furthermore, The scenes in question can only be accessed by hacking saved game files. These modifications are not endorsed by Rockstar. Unless you have a Modchip (a dubiously legal device used to access locked functions in a console) you will NEVER see these scenes. Can your 10 year old solder 15 wires to milimeter wide contacts on a circut board? If he cant, you don't need to worry.
Now, Moral curruption. Thats a good one. What a wonderful way to escape personal responsibility. Video games are mindless entertainment, not personal guidebooks for damning yourself, and you completely ignore the fact that THIS GAME IS NOT FOR CHILDREN.
Your outrage should not be at Rockstar Games for having objectionable content in their games. Some people like objectionable content, and it is their right as an American to view and or produce that content. You should be angry at all the parents who aren't parenting and buying adult games for young children. You wouldn't buy alcohol for a 12 year old, so why would you give a 12 year old a video game made for someone who's 21?
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I shall say only this:
By:
LandHawk ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 17:54:25 GMT
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Taking legal action against Rockstar because modders made adult material available in the game is like taking legal action against Ford because someone mounted a sculpture of a giant phallus on the hood of a Mustang GT.
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To HELL with CENSORSHIP!
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Ryan Gill ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 17:34:15 GMT
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You a******s of the "Parents" of America fail once again to put the whole situation into the proper perspective.
For one, The only version of this game that can have this little easter egg unlocked is on a computer, By using Third party software. How many kids do you know that can go to a mod website, fine and then install this software?
For two, Who ever is young enough to be impressionable and has a computer fast enough that can run this type of software has to be a pretty spoiled kid in my mind.
For three, If no one under the age of 17 is allowed to buy it, Then WHO CARES? You gotta be flamming mad if your a Parent and let you 12 year old go around mass murdering cops and crack heads in a video game.
I got this game when i was 17 or so, And i know my 15 year old brother is old enough and mature enough in this day and age to deal with some pixels sticking there fake pixelated penis into some pixel bimbo.
In escense, It's all a big JOKE! It's not even accessable through the PS2 or XBOX versions!
You can no act like these Parent a******e people were not out to get GTA from the start anyway. You know this is just a chance to jump there case.
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crazy
By:
carlosc1dbz ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 17:29:26 GMT
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Hello, in my opinion what I just read is just crazy. That organization "Family" is just looking for something controversial to get its name out there. If we think about things the way Family wants to, then we are going to have to rate the lifetime channel as pornography because we have more than enough sex scenes on that channel. Do you understand what I mean? If someone hacks into a game and allows the showing of things that are not intended, then it is them who should be sued and rated Adult for it is them that are making this content available to children. Are these modders/hackers doing anything to protect children from viewing adult content? I didnt think so. The final point I would like to make is that the game is rated Mature 18 and over. If there is a mod/hack that allows you to see a sex scene, then it is ok because only 18 and over are suppose to play the game. If there are kids playinng the game that is the parents fault and not the ESRB or Rock Stars fault. The most important thing to remeber is that this sexual content is only viewable through a patch which is voluntarily downloaded, so in the end it is the person who downloaded the patch who is to blame, or the parents of the young child that is not suppse to be playng the game.
carlosc1dbz
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umm...
By:
kdd ,
Sat, 09 Jul 2005 17:27:07 GMT
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This is really dumb. My husband plays GTA and I think it's a horrible game to begin with, but for people to suddenly be all up in arms about a sex scene "morally corrupting the youth of the country" is really absurd. The game is already filled with blood and gore and focuses on the hero conducting drug-related missions and carjacking cars. But that's all okay as long as they don't put in a sex scene? As a parent, I'd be far more concerned about buying the game to begin with. It's really ridiculous how people are more worried about sex than an already violent and objectionable premise to this game.
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