More new moms go the diaper-free way

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Hello All,

After reading through the artical and all of your post I felt I shold post something. First, I would like to say that I am against potty trianing at such a young age. I agree with the statement that children potty trian when they are ready. However, I do not argree with most of the rest of the threads here. Just because a child is not spanked does not mean they will grow up to be killers. At the same time we cannot be our childs best freind. You can find other ways of punishing a child than spanking them. I give an example of the effects spankings can have on some kids. My nephew was spanked as a punishment by his mother and in the end developed a hitting problem that got him kicked out of almost every daycare he was in. I started introducing him to time-out. The problems started to decline and he still learned the difference between right and wrong.

Now for the meat of my thread.

One thing to think on is this, what will happen to these kids in their teen and later years. Not all kids will take this expierence well. And where I am not saying this will happen to many or any of these kids it is something to think on. I had some traumatic expeirences when I was that young. I only know because my sister remembers foster care. Even though I don't remmeber the events, they still effect me today. I ended up having to live with the fact that I never really grew up inside. I became an infantalist(If you don't know what this is I suggest you research it as I do not want to be called a pervert by a person who thinks they know what this is). Again, think first about the children. How many of these kids have grown up. if there are any, I would very much like to hear from them. Not the parents who trianed them. The resaon for this is that only those kids will know what kind of effect this kind of training will have on them.

I appologize fro the long post but I felt it was inportant for you to hear.

God Bless,

Angel Babie

Every child is different, and every child develops at different stages, and ages in their life. My niece was easy to potty train at the age of one and a half. My nephew was almost four when he was comfortable enough to get on the toilet himself. We tried everything with him, but in the end it's the child who decides whether they are ready or not.

However, I have to disagree with potty training a child at such a young age. No matter how fast that child develops. They still need to be a child. As for sitting in their own waste, that's not what a diaper is meant for anyhow.

No wonder kids no a days are having their own kids at such young ages! Everyone just wants to go faster, and faster. The next thing you know your five year old is drinking coffee, and asking for the morning news paper.

I say take it slower, let kids be kids.

That is all it is. Parents these days are always looking for ways to spend less time with their children and more time making them. No wonder we are all screwed up and the next generation is so pathetic that they have no clue as to what is going on. The act of a parent caring for a child is vital to the childs mental developement. There is nothing inhumane about wearing diapers since humans are the ONLY species that uses them. Also, now that parents don't have to care for their children as much, they will begin breeding and killing at a much younger age. Look foward to a more horrible future for our next generation than just dealing with all the pollution parents and other adults are spewing into the environement, now they have even more excuses to spend less time with their children. Go ahead, ignore them all, raising murderers is easy, it's raising children that is hard.

I couldn't believe my eyes when I read this. What is wrong with these people? First you say "OH, well my child has just done something when I told him no. I think I'll beat the living hell out of him. Yea, that'll teach him a lesson!". Then, they *MUST* be toilet trained at age two at the absolute latest.

Now we have, "Lets make them use the potty 5 weeks (OR LESS!) after (s)he popped out of my womb! Now, I'm one to believe in freedom of choice here. Your child doesn't even get a say in this because they cant even speak yet!

Yanno, I would really HATE to be a child now adays. What are your children going to think when they grow up and find out that you went ahead and pretty much defied the laws of nature and forced them against their OWN will to toliet train.

Children give you these signs, people, when they want to be potty trained. You need to stop being such lazy idiots and WAIT for a few years. If you dont want to have to change a baby's diaper, then you shouldnt be having sex or reproducing.

You know what this is going to do to them right? As I read above from another poster, this will more than likely make them want to revert. It isn't a new thing, people have went back to diapers even after the "regulatory" age of three, past four and even well past seven!
This is caused be either their want to do so, the loss of their training, or something that their stupid parents did to them when they didnt even have the ability to lift their own head yet!

I really hope that this idea doesnt become something that ever soccer mom on the face of the earth has to attempt. Again, stop being lazy, raise your kids right, and for God's sake, let them grow up and be able to think for themselve's before you go making decisions for them at such an early age.

-K. Shultz

i dont really see anything wrong with it. i mean, youre eventually going to make them sit on the toilet anyway. although considering the child cannot actually \

My mother always claimed that my sister and I were toilet trained by the time we were a year old. Not having any memory of this and seeing my girlfriend's kids in diapers until they were 3 made me very skeptical that it could even be done at that age.

Maybe this is the sort of thing that my mother did -- although in the early 70s it wouldn't have a fancy name (or anyone reading anything into it.)

It's an interesting notion, although I find it quite curious, as some people did mention such toilet training would occur before the myelinization of the nerves. This can very but should not generally occur before the age of 12 months if I have my developmental stages all correct.

Psychologically, who knows there could be significant pros and cons to this. Freud's model of development was a load of crock, but he was right in one aspect what we experience as an infant even if we consciously forget it has massive impacts upon our development all the way into adulthood. Potty Training for some is a gigantic traumatic episode, quite possible this could be avoided by potty training them earlier, but similarly could also cause a later backlash of trauma.

As to the school shooting/spanking issue... It Gets far more complex than it's been given credit for. Fact of the matter: Majority of students who get into such situations come from broken, severely dysfunctional families usually living pretty close to poverty. Not to say there aren't a few rich kids, or ones with stable families that do such, but by comparison they are the minority. However, in contrast to what you may be thinking it isn't the home environment that directly cuases such behaviour. Often it is the school or outside environment, particular the peer relationships that set the student on the wrong path to such self-destructive acts. The home-life only serves as a background that doesn;t accurately provide the education to kids that hanging around with questionable friends can get you into serious trouble.

Why would you let your baby sit in its own waste for a long period of time any way? And how scary would it be for you to dangle your baby over the toilet, hell you think their scared to take a pooh when their two... This just seems to have a high potential for screwing up your kids. A lot of kids revert after you potty train them anyway.. How do they deal with that? Well I would just like to say that I am not abusing my kid by having him wear a diaper! Now if I never changed it... well that is another story... But this is one of the stragest things I have read yet.

And most of you lack even more information. EC doesn't mean not using diapers (although some EC folks do so); it just means not letting your kid sit in their waste for hours on end.

It turns out that by putting kids in disposable diapers that absorb huge amounts of liquid, we TEACH them not to have bladder control. We simply took our son to the potty when we thought he needed to go, or when he woke up from a nap, or finished nursing. At 10 months, he was in training pants; at 14 months, underwear. Now he's 2.5 and he has a pee miss about once every week or two. (He had THREE poop misses in all of 2006, and all three times he was sick.) He tells us when he needs to pee or poop. Simple.

It's frankly sickening how many people try to tell us that it's impossible to teach an infant where an appropriate place to pee is. Pampers has brainwashed you all, I swear. :)

Sounds more like something a NeoCon would try out on his child so that he doesn't sully his three-piece Pre-Kindergarten Suit!
Why must the masses let themselves become polarized sooo easily?
But John had it right....
"What else is questionable is the notion that you can toilet train a child before the myelinization of the nerves in the bowel."

I think that all the people who criticize this should perhaps do some research on it. It's not what they think it is.

Parents become more bonded with their children through elimination communication. By being aware of when their infant needs to use the toilet, parents teach their child from the beginning that it's not okay to soil oneself. Usually babies are fully potty trained at 18 months using this method, because at that age they can walk around, pull down their own pants, and sit on the potty chair without help.

We also forget that parents have been doing this for hundreds and hundreds of years. In many third world countries, this still goes on. (I won't ever allow my kid to pee on the sidewalk or anything, though).

I'm not sure I'd call using diapers inhumane, but my husband and I definitely think IPT is what works for us. To each her own.

Jesus, let them be babies for gods sake. Why do they not deserve the feeling of a nice warm tinkle and a nice steaming pile in their diaper for a bit? Hell. I'm 48 and still enjoy it now and then.

Neat stuff.

A friend of mine saw some lady on Oprah who claimed to have learned the language of newborn babies. Something about three words (or grunts really) that meant "Food, sleep, and burp" or some such nonsense.

Would be really neat to see if it was true, but alas I like kittens more than babies.

Everyone knows the REAL cause of spankings is school shootings.

Why not let the kids decide for themselves whether they want to wear diapers or not? They're obviously capable of making this decision for themselves. And while we're at it, why not let the kids just train themselves? Why should parents be allowed to force toilet training upon their children. Next thing you know they'll be taking them to church!

Out of curiosity, for the "liberal garbage" and "school shooter" crowd... why did you come to Earth Times to read a story if you don't like "new age hippy" stuff?

Why don't you take a deep breath, accept that some people may have a different opinion - much like yourself about this - and move on? And not say that people should die and you "hope that kid has serious mental issues".

And while we're at it "Working Parent", how many of those 'school shooters" main problems was that their parents DIDN'T spank them? Or that their parents were too busy "tryiong to be thier childrens friends and not there parents"? I think if you took half a second to look at any facts you may find out they are opposite to what you are claiming.

So let's see if I've got this straight. It's "wrong" and "inhumane" to put a diaper on a kid... unless you're on a "lengthy outing." So it's OK to be inhumane if it would seriously inconvenience you to do otherwise?

Understand that I'm a fossil. I grew up in a time in which things that were wrong or inhumane were always wrong or inhumane. If the wrongness or inhumaneness of something depends on the circumstances, then it's not really wrong or inhumane. It's merely questionable.

What else is questionable is the notion that you can toilet train a child before the myelinization of the nerves in the bowel.

Have to agree with working Dad, too many parents want to be a friend and not a parent. I don't believe that that is in the best interest of the child. Now. I have to get back to work.

I think a better solution is just to not have kids. But then, I'm president of my local stomach punchers union.

I fail to see how pooping your shorts is an integral part of childhood to be cherished. I mean, sure, diapers work okay, but I'm not gonna slag on someone who chooses to go another route.

And I really, REALLY fail to see how failing to let a child soil themselves will make them a school shooter.

The child isn't toilet-trained, the mother is trained. She just has to treat the child like a baby puppy and take it "out" after it eats or drinks anything.

There IS a way to keep a child out of wet and dirty diapers...it's called change the (*$# diaper after the child uses it. The weight limit on the side of the package of diapers is a weight limit for the child, not for what can actually fit into the diaper. :(

Nice to see two paragraphs can get people hoping for "serious mental issues," (John) other people digressing into a nostalgia for more beatings (Working Parent), and a simple blanket request for murder (Re).

I don't buy into their belief about no diapers, but I can't say I wish them any harm.

That those kids try the same approach on their parents when they enter the nursing home. "What's that Mom? You have bladder control problems? Well Tough!"

This is the most ridiculous pile of sh** I have ever heard. Training a child at that stage in their life is awful, not only are you trying to teach a child who can't even ask questions you're robbing them of being a god damn child. Stupid liberal garbage. I hope that kid has serious mental issues when she grows up and ruins her parents lives.

That is all fine and good for NON working parents but for those of us that work it is not INHUMANE to put your child in a diaper only when you leave them in them and not change wet diapers. These people are crackpots who stay at home and have nothing better to do then hold thier babies over toliets. I watched a bit on the news about them and yes they have WAY too much time on thier hands and should get slapped into reality before they say that us parents that work (yes both me and my wife work) and that we are basicly abusing our kids by "Forcing" them to wear diapers. It is these kids of parents that have kids that grow up and shoot up a school because they don't know how to deal with reality. Hey wake up and smell the roses the United States Children are going to hell in a hand basket and it is time that we see what the cause is. Too many times these kids who go on killing sprees come from homes where the parents were too busy tryiong to be thier childrens friends and not there parents. My Grandfather got spanked and my father got spanked and I got spanked and guess what none of us ever shot up a school or killed someone because they called us a name. We learned what was right and wrong and we learned with a smack on the backside. Guess what so do my two boys. I just hope that noe of these new age hippy buddy parents kids go to school with mine so that he / she doesn't get all pissed off one day cause mommy and daddy never spanked his / her but and kill my kids. Sorry about the rant but our Society is going down hill and it starts with the parents.

tards. All of them. Shoot them all before they procreate any more.